Enhanced speed through skins

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:04 pm

This goes off my other rant poll about monk speed.

Using Character or monster models with increased speed compared to regular models.I think this is a unfair pvp advantage that players are abusing, and that should not be implemented in a pvp server that works hard to balance pvp.

Lord of the Posts Gender: Age: 36 Joined: 30 Jan 2006

I don't like the idea of skins outside of a subrace period.

1) some have a size advantage.
2) some you can't tell if a weapon is being wielded or not.
3) some have a speed advantage.

It's a fun idea, for some mickey mouse module, but implementing them is a huge mistake. Here's a little hint: Think pvp first before you go implementing anything and everything you can, like these stupid skins, just for the sake of having something new.

Squire Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: Woodstock

linuXjedi wrote:

It's a fun idea, for some mickey mouse module, but implementing them is a huge mistake. Here's a little hint: Think pvp first before you go implementing anything and everything you can, like these stupid skins, just for the sake of having something new.

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:25 pm

OK~ btw the only time someone has a speed change or looks like a speed change is when the dm that gave them skin breaks the rules. You are only allowed a skin that is the SAME size that you already are. I was halfling took this little hopper thing i run the exact same speed.

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:06 am

on pvp server all skins are stupid if you cant see weapon. there is a archer bug running around and you cant even see arrows sometimes and how he runshoot all the time...

Mostly Harmless Joined: 18 Dec 2007

my favourite is the damocles skin with a spear who i am 90% posi is actually duel wielding kams...

Mostly Harmless Gender: Age: 19 Joined: 11 Jul 2006

dual wielding handaxes

Lord of the Posts Joined: 20 Dec 2005

there used to be a rule about being able to see the characters weapons, and skins that didn't allow you to see what weapons they were using were not allowed. I'd like to see that come back.

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:51 am

I am making a new skin list with shillow asap i will be setting exact guidelines that will be followed.

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:24 am

I'm pretty sure most flying and Quadra-ped models have faster movement rates. An arena server i used to play used to allow any skins until this was found out. Then Most all flying and models with more then 2 feet where removed. And the Panther and Mpanther are good examples of speed increase they are quite fast as i remember.

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:40 am

just look in the appearance.2da and check the MOVERATE and SIZE CATEGORY to see what skins should be used

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色軍 Gender: Age: 18 Joined: 01 Nov 2006

you can modify appearance without having the appearances size/speed bonuses/mali...

I ain't no Newbie Gender: Age: 21 Joined: 06 Oct 2006

I wanted to add different speed bonus to a few subraces, like Avariel getting around level 6 monk speed. But it didnt work and before I could fix it I got fired lol.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:35 am

not only size and speed matters. in pvp i want to know if enemy use a scroll or is KDed/horned or is dominated or stuned or whatever... skins are stupid!!! you cant really fight this way, its like close eyes and swing your weapon.

imagine a cleric that is countering... how the

should i know he is countering our cleric. or someone stay in SoV and look like a stuned enemy but he was only using some scrolls.

you made praires look like a kindergarten server, remove these skins please.

色軍 Gender: Age: 18 Joined: 01 Nov 2006

hobbes3k wrote:

I wanted to add different speed bonus to a few subraces, like Avariel getting around level 6 monk speed. But it