Rdd needs nerfing

Harmless Gender: Joined: 30 Aug 2006

We just had a tourney and there was a 8 pally 2 bard 30 rdd that had 72 ab, 80 ac, undispellable tts, 30 DR , 30 SR and it solo tanked a dragon with only losing 100 hp. Usually i dont complain about overpowered builds but this is a little ridiculous. I was fine with the ab/ac bonuses rdd had before, we dont need to make them so powerful with the feat bonus.

Apprentice Gender: Age: 19 Joined: 04 Oct 2007

Don't forget that they also get sneak immune from the class token at the moment too.

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:20 pm

lol ............ DeX ...........

i wonder who figure the the empowerments before it gets official

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:53 pm

bhaal wrote:

RDD is a little on the strong side right now.

I would say drop sneak immune, DR, and SR (or cap sr at 20 maybe). Also, I would make sure divine shield and RDD bonuses do not stack.

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:03 pm

I dueled pokesis pure RDD 1v1 . We dueled 5 or 6 rounds and has only beaten me once, which was a roll 1 on dev crit. My HP was always at injured to barely injured when the pure rdd dies.

It may be overpowered because of TTS and immunities, but other than that, it is only overpowered if you can't build something stronger than it.

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:41 pm

Colossus-X wrote:

I dueled pokesis pure RDD 1v1 . We dueled 5 or 6 rounds and has only beaten me once, which was a roll 1 on dev crit. My HP was always at injured to barely injured when the pure rdd dies.

It may be overpowered because of TTS and immunities, but other than that, it is only overpowered if you can't build something stronger than it.

stop spaming your crap over and over again. no one is interested how a brad do in duelling vs a tank.
imagine a (30 rdd) + (bard) vs (23 pally rdd) + (bard) and everyone is cused + sunged and maybe dispelled

Lord of the Posts Gender: Age: 19 Joined: 21 Apr 2007

Don't forget 30 RDD gets mind immunity. What it doesn't need is more melee empowerments. Give it some empowerments that would complement a sorcerer or bard when levels above 10 are taken. Also, 30 levels of Blackguard isn't worth taking for the bonuses it gets. Since the bonuses don't stack (as I'm led to believe) there isn't much to work with.

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:45 pm

Hm, I duelled Dirk's 12 pally/2 bard/26 RDD.. I killed him twice in a row without resting.

Err.. anyone able to shove a link to where these RDD changes are listed? What's the deal with all this undispellable TTS, DR, SR and sneak immune?

Post Master Gender: Age: 19 Joined: 24 Dec 2005

dont forget I use whip
820 hp too

whippped a draggy Razz

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:09 pm

Just an fyi, the ac from lvl 30 rdd replaces all previous ac bonuses from the token.

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:10 pm

from my calculations a pally rdd can get these stats WITHOUT song or team buffs

71 (73 without dev) ab
82 ac
tts
32 sr
mind immune
20/+7 DR

this is 6 more ab and 7 more ac then "old" pre-token pally rdd. not to mention the free tts, mind immune, sr and dr.

DEVS: WTF WERE YOU THINKING? THIS IS CRAZY poop

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:14 pm

The old pallies had something like 67 ab/ 74 ac and 50 dc dev.

These 30 rdd pallies get 70 ab/ 80 ac.

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:15 pm

The old pallies had 65 ab 75 ac 50 dev dc, or 67 ab without dev.

The new ones have 71 ab 82 ac 50 dev dc, or 73 ab without dev.

Can I make it any clearer?

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:47 pm

My dev pali's always used to have 67+ab.....

These new ones, its possible to get 70+ab and 80ish ac, its crazy..

And Eliar, It's not hard to win a duel on a cleric pm.

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:54 pm

Add +1 ab to whatever I said earlier about the new pally rdd, I forgot 1 df ab.

Meaning 72 ab with dev or 74 without dev WITHOUT bard song (+1 self song tho) or prayer