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Poll :: What should be done about FOD scroll spamming?

Remove FOD scrolls, they're dumb and lame.
31%
 31%  [ 10 ]
Leave them in, we like 1s.
50%
 50%  [ 16 ]
Write a script so people no longer autofail on 1 for FOD scrolls.
9%
 9%  [ 3 ]
except pure 40s or necro 30/10s or somethin (2 diff options, leave rational)
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
I have no opinion and want to see the results.
6%
 6%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 32


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Seize T.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:43 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Eliar wrote:

77 UMD isn't exactly easy to get.. so, unless you're a PM. Now, PMs arent that insanely common,.


I beg to differ, PMs are running rampant, specially with PFs being nothin now.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:40 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Seize T. wrote:
Eliar wrote:

77 UMD isn't exactly easy to get.. so, unless you're a PM. Now, PMs arent that insanely common,.


I beg to differ, PMs are running rampant, specially with PFs being nothin now.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:08 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I usually see ~4 pm builds in every tourney. Oh, and I dont think scroll spamming should make a build, so why let it happen?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

well imo as a bard pm.. fod scrolls are my best bet to do any type of dmg.. and like eliar said, almost everything can make themselves immune..

if u take out fod scrolls then i wouldnt have the enjoyment of playing my 85 ac pm bard.. and i would be stuck with the 26 4 10 if i want to dmg anything..

just make somehing with fod immune buffs and quit crying.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Raymonsta wrote:
just make somehing with fod immune buffs and quit crying.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:58 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Eliar wrote:
Dev and FoD is a good comparison..

77 UMD isn't exactly easy to get.. so, unless you're a PM, FoD scroll spamming really isnt an option. Now, PMs arent that insanely common, let alone FoD scroll spamming ones.. and they dont work against other PMs (shadow shield scrolls), people with a lotta UMD (ss scrolls again), or pallies or cleric (deathward), or mages or sorcs (shadow shield), or druids (sr), or decently high level monks (sr) In fact, there are a lotta things out there that FoD scrolls dont work on..

Now imagine if you could only crit someone once a round, and every time you did, it cost you a coupla k gp? Dev would be pretty useless then, wouldnt it. And everyone would be all like "Why does it cost me every time I crit someone" and then because people are poor, it would be all like "Damnit, I blew 500k on crits this last raid", so people would stop taking imp crit and keen.. and no one would want to crit anymore.. unless it was a special occasion.. in which case they would want one but wouldnt get one.. 'cause that's always how it works.

Once you use a FoD scroll you wanna have another.. once you use it once, you just keep spamming them and soon you're poor.. They're like chocolate coated marshmallows, once you have one you just wanna have another. And another. And another. And before you know it, the whole box is gone, and your sister is like, "Who the hell ate all the chocolate covered marshmallows?!" And you try and blame it on the cat, but your sister knows better than that because the cat doesn't like chocolate. So you're like, "It wasn't me, I swear!" But she can totally tell you're lying and she's all, "I can see the chocolate stuck in your teeth, you liar." And you say, "No, that's not chocolate, that's popcorn," but she totally doesn't believe you..

And that's why FoD scrolls are fine like they are.


Eliar made the best argument. FoD scrolls are staying. Also don't they only do like 20 neg dmg? And you can only cast one per round anyways.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:03 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Eliar made my argument.

If you have a problem with getting killed by FoD scrolls then you really need to learn to build! It has been about one year since I died to a FoD scroll....LOL.

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bhaal
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Eliar wrote:

77 UMD isn't exactly easy to get.. so, unless you're a PM, FoD scroll spamming really isnt an option. Now, PMs arent that insanely common, let alone FoD scroll spamming ones.. and they dont work against other PMs (shadow shield scrolls), people with a lotta UMD (ss scrolls again), or pallies or cleric (deathward), or mages or sorcs (shadow shield), or druids (sr), or decently high level monks (sr) In fact, there are a lotta things out there that FoD scrolls dont work on..



Shadow shield is breachable. Yes, we sell breach scrolls, too. Oh, and yet another annoying advantage monks have over normal tanks.

Eliar wrote:

Now imagine if you could only crit someone once a round, and every time you did, it cost you a coupla k gp? Dev would be pretty useless then, wouldnt it. And everyone would be all like "Why does it cost me every time I crit someone" and then because people are poor, it would be all like "Damnit, I blew 500k on crits this last raid", so people would stop taking imp crit and keen.. and no one would want to crit anymore.. unless it was a special occasion.. in which case they would want one but wouldnt get one.. 'cause that's always how it works.



I'm not sure why some people are so poor (have you ever even touched a loot chest?), but I havent had any monetary problems on any of my chars. I've even given away about half of my earnings.

Eliar wrote:


Once you use a FoD scroll you wanna have another.. once you use it once, you just keep spamming them and soon you're poor.. They're like chocolate coated marshmallows, once you have one you just wanna have another. And another. And another. And before you know it, the whole box is gone, and your sister is like, "Who the hell ate all the chocolate covered marshmallows?!" And you try and blame it on the cat, but your sister knows better than that because the cat doesn't like chocolate. So you're like, "It wasn't me, I swear!" But she can totally tell you're lying and she's all, "I can see the chocolate stuck in your teeth, you liar." And you say, "No, that's not chocolate, that's popcorn," but she totally doesn't believe you..

And that's why FoD scrolls are fine like they are.


I'm not even sure where to begin with this nonsense Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:08 am Reply with quoteBack to top

coldvoid wrote:
Eliar made my argument.

If you have a problem with getting killed by FoD scrolls then you really need to learn to build! It has been about one year since I died to a FoD scroll....LOL.


Eliar cannot win unless he got 20 heals and wait for 20s to hit the opponent. Expect something more from a shout spammer who tries to be poetic over an online game?? lol
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:59 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Colossus-X wrote:
Expect something more from a shout spammer who tries to be poetic over an online game??


I hate to disappoint, so here's me being poetic:

Kuja's some random guy
Who constantly seems to cry
An absolute prick
He's thick as a brick
Why doesn't he just go and die?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:01 am Reply with quoteBack to top

On a side note, if I'm being too mean to you and you want me to stop, just say so, Kuja. Don't want you to turn even more emo.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:52 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Eliar wrote:
Colossus-X wrote:
Expect something more from a shout spammer who tries to be poetic over an online game??


I hate to disappoint, so here's me being poetic:

Kuja's some random guy
Who constantly seems to cry
An absolute prick
He's thick as a brick
Why doesn't he just go and die?


Limerick ftw?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:35 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

this whole thread is funny. rofl.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:23 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Mike20 wrote:
this whole thread is funny. rofl.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:11 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

hobbes3k wrote:
Eliar made the best argument. FoD scrolls are staying. Also don't they only do like 20 neg dmg? And you can only cast one per round anyways.

didnt lazy just make a post about you not being the final arbiter of the rules of dex? i thought there was still a process in place with regards to changes.
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