Class token revisions (done for balancing and everything)

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:51 pm

first quote is how ranger is in journal right now and secound quote is my suggestion for a pure ranger and a 1 AC nerf for 26 ranger monk assassin.

so pure ranger would get around 65-67 AB dualwield

oh and give wolf and spider enough HP and immune to disabling effects (like mordsword) but no AB/AC/Damage. so they can get in action before someone dev them or bigbie etc.

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:24 am

a couple tings..

Quote:
why do you nerf high ranger but empower low ranger builds? 26 ranger / 12 monk / 2 assassin
do the math high ranger isn't nerfed they get higher bonuses slightly, I didnt want to backload ranger because I want it to be useful in diff. builds. Instead of +5/+5 it gets +6/+6 now spread out across the levels.

We want ranger to be a useful calss in general not just limited to high level Ranger builds.

And abotu DD that is basically what is being done. There HP was drastically cut down from original DD class token. And any elemental resistance above 15 is absurd. That is equal to 5 epic feats as it is. By dropping it that low they will be immune to dmg on weaps but not from spells which is proper.

Their resistance is best simulated by elemental resist plus epic damge reduction

Squire Joined: 03 May 2008

hmm ok heres my suggested changes..

Assasin
10 +1 AB +1 AC
14 +1 AB +1 AC +1 Saves
18 +1 AB +1 AC
22 +2 AB +1 AC +1 Saves, Crippling Strike
26 +2 AB +1 AC +2 Saves, Improved Evasion (Id put HIPS here)
30 +2 AB +1 AC HIPS (29 not 30 Id add increased crit range here like wm but not increased multiplyer)

Ranger
10 +1 AB
13 +1 AC +1 to all saves
16 +1 AB
19 +1 AC +1 to all saves
22 +1 AB
25 +1 AC +1 to all saves
28 +1 AB
31 +1 AC +1 to all saves
34 +1 AB
37 +1 AC +1 to all saves
40 +1 AB Cripling Strike (dont like this, wrong class for cripling strike, maybe improved evasion instead)
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Dwarven Defender (gah why a vulnerability?? dont understand this one)

10 +25 HP resist elements 5, +1 AC
14 +25 HP Epic Damage reduction I, +1 AB, +1 AC (vulnerability 15%)
18 +25 HP resist elements 10, +1 AC
22 +25 HP Epic Damage reducation II, +1 AB, +1 AC (vulnerability 30%)
26 +25 HP resist elements 15, +1 AC
30 +50 HP Epic Damage reducation III, +1 AB, +1 AC (vulnerability 45%)

Red Dragon Disciple (This guys does not need AB, as for the dragon breath Id do it by Level, lev 10 = 10d10 lvl 14 = 14d10 etc)

10 +1 AB (Red Dragon Breath 10d10) 3/day
14 +1 AB Epic Damage Reduction I (EDR1 and Resist Energy Sonic Instead)
18 +1 AB (Red Dragon Breath 15d10) 3/day
22 +1 AB Epic Damage Reduction II (EDR2 and Resist Energy Cold Instead)
26 +1 AB (Red Dragon Breath 20d10) 3/day
30 +1 AB Epic Damage Reduction III (EDR3 and Resist Energy Elect Instead)

Read Dragon Breath DC = 10 + 1/2Level + STR Bonus (REFLEX)

Below Average Joined: 19 Dec 2005 Location: Peikkometsä

uhmh. what were old ranger emps?
whit these changes 25 ranger 5 hs 10 monk will get 64 dual ab whit bles/aid pots and nasty ac too

色軍 Gender: Age: 18 Joined: 01 Nov 2006

Poh wrote:

uhmh. what were old ranger emps?
whit these changes 25 ranger 5 hs 10 monk will get 64 dual ab whit bles/aid pots and nasty ac too

80ac 70ab is possible as well...

Below Average Joined: 19 Dec 2005 Location: Peikkometsä

oio wrote:

Poh wrote:

uhmh. what were old ranger emps?
whit these changes 25 ranger 5 hs 10 monk will get 64 dual ab whit bles/aid pots and nasty ac too

80ac 70ab is possible as well...

any build gets insane stats whit bard song...
self buffed 64 ab sounds bout right (i hope bt stones are gone)

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:17 pm

Teh Poh poh! *flop flop*

Welcome back to dex nub Very Happy

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:26 pm

the old ranger empowerment was 5/5

Below Average Joined: 19 Dec 2005 Location: Peikkometsä

SeraphimDeX1DEV wrote:

the old ranger empowerment was 5/5

huh????
5/5 on what? pure ranger? or what lvl? huh?

but ill take high ac good ab monk over any pure, exept mages...

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:12 pm

Poh wrote:

SeraphimDeX1DEV wrote:

the old ranger empowerment was 5/5

huh????
5/5 on what? pure ranger? or what lvl? huh?

but ill take high ac good ab monk over any pure, exept mages...

right now teh empowerments are:

10 +1 AC
15 +1 AB
20 +1 AB +2 Fort
25 +1 AB +1 AC +2 Fort
30 +1 AC +2 Saves
35 +2 AB +2 AC +2 Saves, Uncanny dodge I

26 ranger get +3 and +2 from bane = +5 .... +7 AB at lvl 35
so 26 ranger monk with start 22 dex get (if AB pimped): 56 + 3 (token) + 2 bane + 2 bless/aid + 3 (6 gr. dex) = 66 AB and additional bane damage: 6 + 2d6

thats ridiculous
imagine AC of a 25/10/5 harper

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:40 am

In my opinion, leave ranger as they are.

I made the 26 ranger 12 monk 2 assasin as soon as token was put in, it's not overpowered, it doesn't get favour like pali's, so they suck against anything with DR.

I also have made both dex and Str 35 ranger build, both of which arent overpowered at all.

My str one gets 75ac, 66 or 67ab.

and never put RDD token back in, that's silly idea.

Mostly Harmless Gender: Age: 19 Joined: 11 Jul 2006

I agree with Morgoth, leave them alone.

Newbie Age: 26 Joined: 24 Jul 2007

Morgoth wrote:

In my opinion, leave ranger as they are.

I made the 26 ranger 12 monk 2 assasin as soon as token was put in, it's not overpowered, it doesn't get favour like pali's, so they suck against anything with DR.

I also have made both dex and Str 35 ranger build, both of which arent overpowered at all.

My str one gets 75ac, 66 or 67ab.

and never put RDD token back in, that's silly idea.

quote.
thats right, ranger are not overpowered atm.

Harmless Gender: Joined: 23 Aug 2006

Ranger Monk is much more better than Pala Monk, it's undispellable, have higher bonus lasting much longer. No surprise pala monks are a rarity while all the people use this new combo.
About the problems facing DR guys u are a monk, if enemy doesn't suit to u, there is always the run away option.
Imho Rangers are overpowered.

Forum Monkey Gender: Age: 19 Joined: 24 Dec 2005

Lollok wrote:

Ranger Monk is much more better than Pala Monk, it's undispellable, have higher bonus lasting much longer. No surprise pala monks are a rarity while all the people use this new combo.
About the problems facing DR guys u are a monk, if enemy doesn't suit to u, there is always the run away option.
Imho Rangers are overpowered.

qft