Class Token PvP balance

I ain't no Newbie Gender: Age: 21 Joined: 06 Oct 2006

Pandora wrote:

The class tokens should be permanent buffs since it's actually part of the build and not spell buffs.

Well just like how a caster sucks without their buffs, class token chars suck without their token bonuses.

Above Average Gender: Age: 26 Joined: 21 Jan 2007

I have this conception in my mind that the tokens are to supplement further abilities to given prestige classes of epic lvls that Bioware did not take into acct.

Wm imo shouldn't get ac or fort, more likely reflex,disc,damage.

DD's are stupidly overpowered with the resists 10/- per 6 lvls starting at 10 would be much more inline to where they need to be.

Rangers should be empowered seperately imo than the class token and keep it reserved to prestige classes.

BG needs a bit more of a boost imo add AB drop the AC on them. And make thier pets worth something.

SD I haven't tested in any mannor but pumping thier pets up would be nice as they are worthless. There is no need to take more than 5 lvls atm.

Assassin perhaps instead of a saves bonus give self conceal increases via thier II spell and provide higher DC poisions via thier class lvls.

Rdd....giving ab for a caster prestige class idk really idk.....

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:52 pm

DD is fine, all it takes is one DC spell and they're history

All-round Lunatic Joined: 18 Dec 2005

DD is like the only tank class that gets will as a save...

Average Gender: Age: 17 Joined: 24 Dec 2005

Dracore wrote:

I defend WM boosts by simply stating that it takes 6 feats and 4ranks in intimidate just to take the class so please give a reason that it shouldnt get these beautiful increases

I am such a moma's weapon master

It isn't like wm don't get bonuses... They get fine unbuffed ab and ac already, along with critical hits that do tons of damage and threat roll 55% of the time, and are one of the best builds for team buffing.

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:00 pm

I haven't had any problems with DDs at all. All I've seen is people running around with DD builds that look decent on paper, then trying to PvP with them, at which point they absolutely suck.

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:19 pm

ranger bonuses work, the gear can be removed for all i care. they don't need hips, uncanny would be nice for the dex based high lvl rangers but i can't imagine making 1... mine's str based 40 ranger ;o

did a great job changing wm, keep em as they are!

only 2 i've made since wipe soz can't say for other classes.

btw change duration to perma!

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:28 pm

Eliar wrote:

I haven't had any problems with DDs at all. All I've seen is people running around with DD builds that look decent on paper, then trying to PvP with them, at which point they absolutely suck.

I just raped a solid DD build with my bard bg rdd

DD = DEAD
Me = barely injured

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:10 pm

instead of perma i want to make the duration the same length as pf armour. is that fair?

I ain't no Newbie Gender: Age: 21 Joined: 06 Oct 2006

SeraphimDeX1DEV wrote:

instead of perma i want to make the duration the same length as pf armour. is that fair?

already is.

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:31 pm

oh i thought it was short....then idk what todo. yay for poll time@

Devil's Advocate Gender: Age: 38 Joined: 21 Dec 2005

Ok here it is in a nutshell.

As I said before sometimes less=more. Class tokens are not neccessary if you nerf the other overpowered classes. We are movign in the wrong direction, escalating abilities insteaqd of reducing them. Much more likely players are going to figu8re out how to break the system and make overpowered builds.

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:20 pm

Colossus-X wrote:

Eliar wrote:

I haven't had any problems with DDs at all. All I've seen is people running around with DD builds that look decent on paper, then trying to PvP with them, at which point they absolutely suck.

I just raped a solid DD build with my bard bg rdd

DD = DEAD
Me = barely injured

I raped a solid DD build with my cleric PM, without using any heals, and I came out uninjured in the end.

And my penknife is bigger than yours.

I ain't no Newbie Gender: Age: 21 Joined: 06 Oct 2006

coldvoid wrote:

Ok here it is in a nutshell.

As I said before sometimes less=more. Class tokens are not neccessary if you nerf the other overpowered classes. We are movign in the wrong direction, escalating abilities insteaqd of reducing them. Much more likely players are going to figu8re out how to break the system and make overpowered builds.

Your argument is saying we're going into an inflation and I understand that. Unfortunately, it's harder to *nerf* builds since some are hardcoded and others are dependent on items (and nerfing items means stripping, compensating, arggh so much trouble and hassle!).

Fortunately we are in a +5/+5 system (and not +20/+10) so there is room to adjust PvP.

Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:05 pm

RDD is a little on the strong side right now.

I would say drop sneak immune, DR, and SR (or cap sr at 20 maybe). Also, I would make sure divine shield and RDD bonuses do not stack.